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		<title>By: scrusi</title>
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		<dc:creator>scrusi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian: The difference is that said hardcore warrior was honest about this issue and actually convinced us with his reasoning. It was clear that he would prefer to be progressing hardcore, but he convinced us that he liked our guild and would stay with us if Orion (the number 1 guild he applied to) did not take him. He also didn&#039;t ask us to wait for Orion to decide but instead immediately said that he would be fine if we choose someone else first. It was entirely our decision to keep the spot open for him for a bit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Adgamorix: I can fully understand why you would do that, especially if you don&#039;t have specific standards the guild has to meet. You must be wary though that if you don&#039;t have high expectations you probably won&#039;t get a guild with high standards. Those that have them might frown on your application. This is a risk you must accept when doing multiple applications. I that risk is fine for you, go ahead!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kristine: Indeed. I actually find the corporate model to be unsuitable for most guilds. This is a game we are playing and people don&#039;t get paid for being in my guild. There are no binding contracts, for example, that would keep a person from leaving my guild right again after getting two pieces of loot and finding a &quot;better&quot; guild.&lt;br /&gt;Most guilds should not just be looking for the best person for the job but someone they can actually relate to and that will enjoy being in the guild.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian: The difference is that said hardcore warrior was honest about this issue and actually convinced us with his reasoning. It was clear that he would prefer to be progressing hardcore, but he convinced us that he liked our guild and would stay with us if Orion (the number 1 guild he applied to) did not take him. He also didn&#39;t ask us to wait for Orion to decide but instead immediately said that he would be fine if we choose someone else first. It was entirely our decision to keep the spot open for him for a bit.</p>
<p>Adgamorix: I can fully understand why you would do that, especially if you don&#39;t have specific standards the guild has to meet. You must be wary though that if you don&#39;t have high expectations you probably won&#39;t get a guild with high standards. Those that have them might frown on your application. This is a risk you must accept when doing multiple applications. I that risk is fine for you, go ahead!</p>
<p>Kristine: Indeed. I actually find the corporate model to be unsuitable for most guilds. This is a game we are playing and people don&#39;t get paid for being in my guild. There are no binding contracts, for example, that would keep a person from leaving my guild right again after getting two pieces of loot and finding a &quot;better&quot; guild.<br />Most guilds should not just be looking for the best person for the job but someone they can actually relate to and that will enjoy being in the guild.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine Ask</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine Ask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Honesty and reasoning go a long way when applying to multiple guilds.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Good point. The discussion on Matticus seemed to be either about applicants deceiving or guilds beeing powerhungry and egotistical. &lt;br /&gt;The reason that multiple applications is taboo is probably not about the principle, but how many guilds have experienced using time on an applicant just to find that they had secretly applied to other guilds and when it was all done: Didnt get that person they wanted in the guild. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, dont understand why a corporate model is a natural model for guilds. What about volunteer organizations? Or family? or friendshipgroups?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Honesty and reasoning go a long way when applying to multiple guilds.&quot;</p>
<p>Good point. The discussion on Matticus seemed to be either about applicants deceiving or guilds beeing powerhungry and egotistical. <br />The reason that multiple applications is taboo is probably not about the principle, but how many guilds have experienced using time on an applicant just to find that they had secretly applied to other guilds and when it was all done: Didnt get that person they wanted in the guild. </p>
<p>Also, dont understand why a corporate model is a natural model for guilds. What about volunteer organizations? Or family? or friendshipgroups?</p>
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		<title>By: Adgamorix</title>
		<link>http://procrastinationamplification.com/applying-to-multiple-guilds/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Adgamorix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a for instance though.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My raid guild recently disbanded, leaving several of us with a plan, and others wondering where to go.  If I hadn&#039;t had a plan, I would have sent out several applications to guilds that were at or above my progression level.  Knowing that it often takes a week to get back to applicants, I can&#039;t wait while a guild makes up their mind about me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The difference though is that when I apply I respond to the questions honestly, and I&#039;m up front about my intentions.  Hell, I&#039;ve applied to guilds just to get my name on their radar for alt/pug raids.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If your application is 1/2 arsed or you pull the &quot;let me see if I get into xyz first&quot; then sure - it&#039;s an issue.  But I also know guilds that will sit on an app for a while, just to keep them from going to another guild on the &#039;chance&#039; that they might need them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s a for instance though.  </p>
<p>My raid guild recently disbanded, leaving several of us with a plan, and others wondering where to go.  If I hadn&#39;t had a plan, I would have sent out several applications to guilds that were at or above my progression level.  Knowing that it often takes a week to get back to applicants, I can&#39;t wait while a guild makes up their mind about me.</p>
<p>The difference though is that when I apply I respond to the questions honestly, and I&#39;m up front about my intentions.  Hell, I&#39;ve applied to guilds just to get my name on their radar for alt/pug raids.  </p>
<p>If your application is 1/2 arsed or you pull the &quot;let me see if I get into xyz first&quot; then sure &#8211; it&#39;s an issue.  But I also know guilds that will sit on an app for a while, just to keep them from going to another guild on the &#39;chance&#39; that they might need them.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the hardcore warrior a perfect example of the &quot;Another time when multiple applications...&quot; situation?  Why the difference in outcome?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#39;t the hardcore warrior a perfect example of the &quot;Another time when multiple applications&#8230;&quot; situation?  Why the difference in outcome?</p>
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